Ranting about rescues.

**Criosphynx** · 07-25-2010, 06:17 PM

so I was curious...

Pet Search Results: Adoptable Papillon Dog Pets in Corona, CA: Petfinder

I only see mixes. Som' are clearly chis or poms not paps....

Binkalette · 07-25-2010, 10:43 PM

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Dispite what some of you might think on this, it has nothing to do with people who complain about not being able to get the help they need from the rescue or can't get ahold of anyone about a certain dog because something wasn't done right yada yada yada. No this is something new. No one in the lower 48 or even in Canada has this problem because everyone can "drive" down.

As most of you know, I have been researching a certain breed for a while now. (The papillon) And almost every reputable breeder has told me I should try for adopting a papillon from a rescue first. In which I reply with Papillons are so rare that the rescues in Alaska don't have papillons even mixed papillons.

See, the thing that pisses me off is when I go to Petfinder, the only area closest to where I live have nothing but huskie mixes, lab mixes, germanshepherd mixes, ect.

I actually had found only one, ONE papillon in my area and that one papillon was adopted out. Sure there are tons of Papillons in the lower 48 (mixes and all) but rarely do they ever allow their dogs to be shipped out of state. (Of course I see there reasons, but if they want to get these dogs to approved homes, they might as well look into shipping as well.) How many reputable breeders out there ship their dogs to potention owners who meet their requirements? Many. Why not rescues?

So, for someone who really wants to own a Papillon, (a rare breed here in Alaska) can't except to go threw a breeder. Do I really want to go threw a breeder? Not really. At first thought yes, but that was because there were no adoptable papillons in my area.

So, for people who want to adopt from a certain rescue can't because of where they live. Even Canada and that's close to Alaska than Washington or any of the other 48 states.

I guess I'm just ranting and need to let off some steam. So, yeah what are your thoughts on this?

Because it costs a lot of money that we DON'T have. We -will- however allow people to arrange for someone to pick up the dog/cat from us and drive it to said destination. We cannot afford to pay someone to drive them any great distance, about 150 miles is the farthest our animals are ever driven. The driver needs to be paid for their time (both there AND back) and for gas and compensation for miles. Every once and a while we will have a volunteer willing to go for nothing, but that is very rare.

Usually though if someone from another state IS really interested in a dog, they will make the drive/flight to come up and get them. Since you are in Alaska, maybe you could offer to cover it for someone to fly up with the dog and back, or offer to meet them half way somewhere. Do you have any friends/relatives in the lower 48 that could help?

StephanieF · 07-25-2010, 11:41 PM

Talk to rescues. I'm apart of a network called Drive for Life that helps dogs get to their new homes from rescues ALL across the states. If you find a dog you like, talk to rescue about your location and see if they can't work with you there.

natenqen · 07-26-2010, 05:39 PM

^_^ Thanks for all the comments and thoughts guys. I've really thought a lot about it. (Gee I'm gone for one day and already two pages. tee hee hee)

Actually, I was really wanting a papillon when I was doing research on a particular lap dog. (I've looked at all the toy breeds and settled on a few and the Papillon made the top of my list.) No I've never had that breed of dog before. The only breeds I have had have all been mixes of Alaskan huskies. (Believe me, none of those are small.) The only time I had a small lap dog was a pug and he was adopted at age 4 to me from my older sister. From then I told myself I would one day like to own a small lap dog. (It was a new experience with a small dog that stayed small.)

I'm not a big fan of beagles... To tell you the trueth, they freak me out. I hear lots of tails about beagles and their noses and I just don't have... patience to train that out of a beagle.

I did find a few rescues and have asked them some questions and two of them had said they ship if the dog is able to handle it and/or family memebers can pick them up.

Anyways, I feel better and happy. (By the way, to the person who asked me why I wanted that breed of dog,)- Would you rather I did not do research on a breed of dog and just take it without knowing what that particular breed is like? Very smart in my opinion. I would rather do research on a certain breed one is interested in and see if they fit my lifestyle and see if I am able to handle them. Would you rather me go and adopt a breed of dog that I'm not ready for?

Joe · 07-26-2010, 08:41 PM

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(By the way, to the person who asked me why I wanted that breed of dog,)- Would you rather I did not do research on a breed of dog and just take it without knowing what that particular breed is like? Very smart in my opinion. I would rather do research on a certain breed one is interested in and see if they fit my lifestyle and see if I am able to handle them. Would you rather me go and adopt a breed of dog that I'm not ready for?

Ironcially enough, I've had more dogs than I ever planed for, and guess what? I've handled them. However, reading about a breed and actually taking care of an animal is two different animals altogether (no pun intended).

I asked the question because it seemed like you HAD to have that breed of dog. At times, people like that scare me.

I've found that wanting is different than having.

On that note, you wanting a small lapdog, what set the breed in question apart from any other breed of small lapdog you did research on?

natenqen · 07-26-2010, 09:26 PM

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Ironcially enough, I've had more dogs than I ever planed for, and guess what? I've handled them. However, reading about a breed and actually taking care of an animal is two different animals altogether (no pun intended).

I asked the question because it seemed like you HAD to have that breed of dog. At times, people like that scare me.

I've found that wanting is different than having.

On that note, you wanting a small lapdog, what set the breed in question apart from any other breed of small lapdog you did research on?

Tee hee hee, I get'cha, why does that scare you? (Curiousity on my part.) Yes, I do really want that breed because after doing the research it was one that I felt would fit my lifestyle. To tell you the trueth, the long haired Chihuahua was my first, but grandmother had a bad experience with a chi mix and doesn't like them and told me I don't want a chi in the house.

The big thing was the Papillon was a breed of dog who could be the size of a Chihuahua. Not many small sized dogs who will stay under the 9 lbs range, soft single layer fur, (One where I won't need to take it to the groomers ever few months to trim up the fur and enough fur that I don't have to put a sweater on it to keep it warm in moderate cool days or a shirt to keep it's skin from getting burned from the sun.) and over all a sturdy dog that I can take anywhere especially camping and boating. A dog that is full of life and able to do fun things I have taken interest in such as agility, doggy dancing, and flyball. And at the end of the day, just someone to lay next to me when watching t.v. in bed and falling asleep next to me.

pawzaddict · 07-26-2010, 09:38 PM

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but grandmother had a bad experience with a chi mix and doesn't like them and told me I don't want a chi in the house.

I have to be honest....this is silly...I own 2 chihuahuas and let myself have a bad experience with one and potty training because of my faults, not hers. Just b/c your grandmother had a bad experience does not mean everyone does... lap dog IMO is just saying you want to carry a dog around in a purse, not saying that is YOUR definition but this is what leads to spoiled dogs with bad manners.

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The big thing was the Papillon was a breed of dog who could be the size of a Chihuahua.

Not at all....they are completely different sizes for the most part....

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One where I won't need to take it to the groomers ever few months to trim up the fur and enough fur that I don't have to put a sweater on it to keep it warm in moderate cool days or a shirt to keep it's skin from getting burned from the sun

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This breed requires constant brushing just an FYI..... and if you want it to keep the clean papillon cut then you do need to take it to the groomers every month or two...

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and over all a sturdy dog that I can take anywhere especially camping and boating

You need to be careful with small dogs and camping, just my personal opinion, as they can get into a lot of trouble and look like food for prey out in the wilderness.

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A dog that is full of life and able to do fun things I have taken interest in such as agility, doggy dancing, and flyball.

I have never seen a papillon do any of these, but I know small dogs can, just never heard of the breed having that drive. Do you have any videos you found that show papillons in agility or flyball?

I am not trying to steer you away from the breed but trying to open your eyes to a different view on the breed.

**Criosphynx** · 07-26-2010, 09:51 PM

Funny, I was going to suggest you think about chis....they sound like what you really want...and there is no shortage of them

I love my chis.

paws...paps can be VERY drivey...to the point they can drive people bonkers.

pawzaddict · 07-26-2010, 09:53 PM

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paws...paps can be VERY drivey

Thats interesting. The only ones I know were hyper but not drivey as far as agility or sports, pretty much liked to just run around and rough house with other animals. This is just a few tho.

natenqen · 07-26-2010, 10:38 PM

Just for you Pawz

Agility
YouTube - AKC National Agility Championship Finals Papillon

Flyball
YouTube - Caeyn our flyball papillon
Okay so not the best way, but it certain makes it interesting to have the ball fly up in the air and land and the pap to get it and run back.

Doggy Dancing
YouTube - Dancing Papillon

Need I say anything else? Not as great as Rookie and his owner, but still really cool. I know they range, but most try to stay under the 12 lb mark. And any dog can be at risk for camping that doesn't stop anyone from going camping with their dogs. Sure small lap dogs are more accessable to being known as prey, but the whole time I've been at camp we have only and I say Only RARELY meet anything that is harmful. We Rarely get Bears in camp, I have never seen a Fox at camp at any one time we were there and I've been going there for almost 18 years now. (The camping I'm talking about is not your official camping.) If you look under Fishcamp under pictures you will see what I mean. Really, I have more chance of losing my little lap dog in town than I do at camp. wild dogs, lose dogs, foxes, and the once in a while moose or caribou. (But they stay in the outskirts of town.)

I know it's silly that grandmother doesn't want the chi because of one bad experience, but I can't change her mind about it. She is dead set all chi's are that way. (Even though I have explained that it is the fault of the owner or person not the dogs.) She still doesn't understand. In this case, it is a usual pick and choose your battles you know.

As for the grooming, I guess I should have put extreme. Like the poodle, shit-hzu or yorkie. I'm not going to show the papillon in confromation. Sure I want the pap to look good, but I'm not going to go crazy making it look perfect like the show paps.

Pawz, I love talking with you. We should do this more often. (No sarcasm I promise.)